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I'm writing on metaphysics.

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I begin by looking at the human endeavor.

The study of metaphysics often involves examining fundamental questions about the nature of reality and existence, including questions about the nature of the self, the relationship between mind and matter, the existence and nature of God, the nature of time and space, and the nature of causation and determinism.

When considering the human endeavor, metaphysical questions can involve exploring the purpose of human existence, the nature of consciousness and free will, the relationship between humans and the natural world, and the role of ethics and morality in human life.

Some specific metaphysical questions you may want to consider when exploring the human endeavor include:

•	What is the nature of human consciousness, and how does it relate to the physical body and the external world?

•	Is there such a thing as free will, or are human actions determined by factors beyond our control?

•	What is the relationship between humans and the natural world, and what responsibilities do we have to the environment and other living beings?

•	Is there an ultimate purpose or meaning to human existence, or are we simply a product of chance and natural processes?

•	What is the role of ethics and morality in human life, and how do we determine what is right and wrong?

•	How does human language and communication shape our understanding of the world, and is there a limit to what we can know about reality?

These are just a few examples of the types of metaphysical questions you may want to explore when considering the human endeavor.

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As you know, there are received views of the world.

Yes, there are many received views of the world that have been developed throughout history by various philosophical, religious, and scientific traditions. These received views often reflect the dominant perspectives of their time and culture and may be influenced by factors such as social norms, political ideologies, and scientific paradigms.

Some examples of received views of the world include:

•	The Judeo-Christian view of the world, which posits the existence of a single God who created the universe and governs its operation according to divine laws and purposes.

•	The scientific worldview, which seeks to explain the natural world through empirical observation and experimentation, often relying on the assumption that reality is composed of physical matter governed by natural laws.

•	The Buddhist worldview, which emphasizes the impermanence and interconnectedness of all things and advocates for the attainment of enlightenment as a means of transcending suffering and achieving liberation from the cycle of rebirth.

•	The existentialist worldview, which emphasizes the subjective experience of the individual and the freedom and responsibility of human beings to create meaning and purpose in their lives in the face of an ultimately meaningless and absurd world.

These received views of the world can provide valuable insights into the nature of reality and existence, but they may also be limited by their cultural and historical contexts and by their reliance on certain assumptions and beliefs that may not be universally accepted. As such, it can be valuable to explore alternative perspectives and to critically examine and evaluate received views of the world in order to gain a deeper understanding of metaphysical questions.

We could classify the views as secular vs transsecular. Would you like me to define my use of these terms?

Sure, please go ahead and define your use of the terms "secular" and "transsecular." That will help me understand your perspective better.

Secular views are based in ordinary experience and an empirical view of science--the world is often seen as modeled in science. The transsecular views do ought not to disagree with valid science but seek to see what may be beyond the secular.

Thank you for clarifying your usage of these terms. It seems that in your classification, secular views are based on empirical observation and the scientific method, while transsecular views seek to explore aspects of reality that may not be fully explained by science or empirical observation.

Transsecular views may include philosophical or religious perspectives that posit the existence of metaphysical entities or phenomena that cannot be directly observed or measured by scientific methods. These views may also incorporate subjective experiences or intuition as a means of accessing knowledge about reality that goes beyond what can be observed through the senses.

It's worth noting that the boundaries between secular and transsecular views can be somewhat fluid, and that the relationship between empirical observation and metaphysical speculation is complex and nuanced. While the scientific method has been incredibly successful in explaining and predicting many aspects of the natural world, there are still many questions that remain unanswered or that may be difficult or impossible to answer through empirical observation alone. As such, both secular and transsecular perspectives can contribute valuable insights to our understanding of reality and existence.

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Okay, so back to metaphysics, the secular, and the transsecular.

Sure, let's continue our discussion on metaphysics, secular and transsecular perspectives. Do you have any specific questions or topics you would like to explore further?

I see the standard received secular and transsecular as having limits that are built into them by reasonable but not absolutely certain or true premises.

That's an interesting observation. It's true that all philosophical or metaphysical perspectives are based on certain assumptions or premises that are not necessarily absolutely certain or universally true. These premises are often based on our experiences, intuitions, or cultural and historical contexts, and as such they may be limited or biased in various ways.

However, it's also worth noting that these premises or assumptions are often necessary starting points for any inquiry into the nature of reality or existence. Without some initial framework or set of assumptions, it can be difficult to even begin to explore these questions.

That being said, it's important to critically examine and evaluate the premises and assumptions underlying any philosophical or metaphysical perspective, and to be open to revising or modifying them in light of new evidence or insights. This can help us develop a more nuanced and comprehensive understanding of the world around us, and can lead to new perspectives or insights that go beyond the limitations of any single received view.

One such premise is that it is not possible to talk of that which does not lie or originate in experience. Thus the sometime proscription against metaphysics.

Yes, the idea that all knowledge or understanding must be based on experience is a key premise underlying many secular or empirical perspectives. This idea is often associated with the empiricist tradition in philosophy, which holds that all knowledge is ultimately derived from sensory experience.

From this perspective, metaphysics or any inquiry into non-empirical aspects of reality may be seen as meaningless or unverifiable. This view has been criticized by some philosophers who argue that there may be aspects of reality that are not directly accessible through sensory experience, but which can be inferred or speculated upon through other means, such as reason or intuition.

Ultimately, the question of whether or not metaphysics is a meaningful or useful enterprise depends on one's underlying assumptions and perspectives about the nature of reality and knowledge. Some may argue that metaphysical inquiries can provide insights into aspects of reality that are not fully explicable through empirical observation, while others may see such inquiries as unfounded or meaningless.

However, I find (i) that we neglect all our experience (e.g., we do have an experience that we might label 'the entire universe' (ii) there are regions of knowledge where the distinction between the rational and the empirical break down.

Your point is well taken. It's true that our experiences can include a sense of connection or unity with the larger universe, which can be difficult to fully capture or express through purely empirical means. This kind of experience is often associated with spiritual or mystical traditions, which seek to connect with a larger reality beyond the individual self.

Regarding your second point, there are certainly areas of knowledge where the distinction between the rational and the empirical can become blurry or even break down. For example, in the field of mathematics, many concepts and theories are derived purely through rational deduction rather than empirical observation. Similarly, in philosophy, there are many areas of inquiry that involve conceptual or logical analysis rather than empirical observation.

That being said, it's worth noting that even in these areas of knowledge, there is often some connection to empirical observation or experience. For example, mathematical concepts and theories may be based on observations of patterns or regularities in the natural world, or on intuitions derived from everyday experience. And philosophical concepts or arguments often draw on examples or thought experiments based on empirical observations or experience.

True. A beginning point for a metaphysics might be to see the universe just as 'all being', rather than as the physical or empirical universe. Might you agree?

It's certainly possible to approach metaphysics from the perspective of "all being", rather than restricting oneself to the physical or empirical universe. This approach is often associated with metaphysical traditions such as idealism or pantheism, which posit that the ultimate reality is not just the physical universe, but rather a more fundamental and all-encompassing reality that includes both the physical and the non-physical.

From this perspective, the physical universe is seen as a manifestation or expression of a deeper, more fundamental reality that transcends the limits of empirical observation or scientific inquiry. This approach can be a fruitful way to explore questions about the nature of reality, existence, and consciousness that go beyond the limits of empirical science.

However, it's also important to keep in mind the limitations and challenges of this approach. Without some connection to empirical observation or experience, it can be difficult to ground or test metaphysical theories or claims. Additionally, different metaphysical perspectives may conflict with each other or with empirical evidence, leading to disagreements or inconsistencies.

That is a set of reasons to not view the real as either 'physical' or 'ideal' but simply to say it belongs to 'being'--i.e. that which is. And a value of this approach is that the physical and the ideal have built in metaphysical prejudice, which being does not.

I see what you're getting at. By focusing on "being" as a more fundamental aspect of reality, rather than separating it into physical and ideal categories, one can potentially avoid some of the biases or limitations inherent in those categories.

For example, the physical category may be associated with a reductionist perspective that sees everything in terms of material causation and ignores non-physical aspects of reality such as consciousness or free will. The ideal category, on the other hand, may be associated with a dualistic perspective that sees mind or spirit as fundamentally separate from matter, leading to difficulties in explaining how they interact.

By focusing on "being" as a more inclusive and fundamental category, one can potentially avoid these biases and limitations and explore questions about the nature of reality in a more open and holistic way. However, it's also important to be aware that this approach may face its own challenges and limitations, and may not be able to provide definitive answers to all metaphysical questions.

We do not need to limit our approach. The approach from being does not answer all questions but it can provide an abstract and therefore perfect framework within which we can ask pragmatic questions and get rough answers. The value of that is that what is revealed from the perfect abstract shows that the rough answers are themselves perfectly adequate, given that no limited being can do better. Am I making sense?

Yes, I understand what you're saying. It seems like you're suggesting that by adopting a more abstract and inclusive framework based on the concept of "being", we can potentially gain a deeper understanding of reality and the limitations of our own knowledge.

By acknowledging the limits of our own perspectives and abilities, we can approach pragmatic questions with a greater degree of humility and openness, and recognize that our rough answers may be the best that we can hope for given our limited perspective. Additionally, by exploring the abstract framework of "being", we may gain a greater appreciation for the complexity and interconnectedness of reality, which can in turn inform our pragmatic questions and lead to more nuanced and insightful answers.

However, it's also important to keep in mind that this approach may not be universally accepted, and may face its own challenges and criticisms. Some may argue that focusing on abstract frameworks divorced from empirical observation or practical application can lead to a disconnect from reality and an overemphasis on theory over practice. Ultimately, the value of this approach may depend on how effectively it can be applied to practical questions and how well it aligns with our own experiences and intuitions.

You raise so many good points. I do want to say, however, that the abstract, as I understand and define it is not divorced from reality. I define abstraction as removing from a concept, those elements which necessarily suffer distortion. And, you can see that the idea is not empty, for 'being', as I conceived it earlier, and the universe as 'all being' are abstract, yet the very abstraction makes them perfectly known. Thus, abstraction used in this way is in fact more connected to the real than the concrete--for there is almost always a veil between the knower and the known, in the case of the concrete. On the other hand, the abstract, in its very nature, transcends the veil.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I see your point about abstraction and agree that it doesn't necessarily mean a detachment from reality. As you describe it, abstraction can be a useful tool for gaining a deeper understanding of reality by removing elements that may distort our perceptions or limit our understanding.

It's also interesting to consider the idea that the abstract can be more connected to the real than the concrete, as it allows us to transcend the limitations of our senses and our immediate experience. By exploring abstract concepts like "being" or "all being", we may be able to gain a broader and more nuanced understanding of reality than we would through focusing solely on concrete observations and experiences.

Of course, this is not to say that the concrete is irrelevant or unimportant, as our observations and experiences do provide valuable information about the world around us. Rather, it seems that there is value in balancing our concrete observations with abstract explorations in order to gain a more complete and nuanced understanding of reality.

Absolutely. In the view I have been discussing, the abstract arises from (ideas of) the concrete, and the concrete 'manifests' the abstract (I am talking a little metaphorically so as to not take forever to write my thoughts in literal form). And it's more than about balancing the abstract and concrete--it's also about integrating the two to form a unity.

I see what you mean. It seems like there's a dialectical relationship between the abstract and the concrete, where the abstract arises from our observations and experiences of the concrete, and the concrete is shaped by our understanding of the abstract. By integrating the two, we can arrive at a more complete and unified understanding of reality.

This perspective also suggests that there may be no absolute separation between the abstract and the concrete, as they are mutually dependent and shape each other in a dynamic way. Would you agree?

I agree that there is no separation between the abstract and the concrete--there may be separation in our thinking but in the real, they are part of the same fabric. Any dialectic, of course, is in our knowing but not in the real (some philosophers do think the real is dialectic but that's another matter). Thus, it might be better to say that they are one, but it is in our thinking that they shape one another. And again, it is possible that our thinking might arrive at a point of precision. This comes back to the point about 'being', which I conceived earlier as that which is (and if 'something is' then being-as-being involves no imprecision).

That's a great point. It seems like in our attempt to understand and describe reality, we create distinctions and categories that may not necessarily reflect the way things actually are. The concept of 'being' as that which is, without any added qualifications or limitations, may provide a more precise and comprehensive framework for understanding reality.

At the same time, it's important to recognize that our understanding of 'being' is still limited by our own cognitive capacities and the tools we use to investigate the world. So while 'being' may be an abstract concept that transcends the limitations of our individual experiences, it still requires a process of interpretation and integration to fully grasp its meaning and implications.

I would modify your very good point about understanding of 'being' having limits. Keep in mind the conception of 'being' we have been using: it is not, for example, Heidegger's conception--Heidegger's, while it is deep, is also so rich that we are bound to not grasp it with perfection as long as we are limited. On the other hand the conception of 'being' we have been using in this discussion transcends those limits in virtue of its utter simplicity (via abstraction). Therefore, the modification I have in mind is that there are aspects of 'being' that we can and do know perfectly and aspects (in other uses of the term) that we do not know perfectly). Lurking in the background of the discussion, by the way, is the question of what we mean by knowledge and what its criteria are or ought to be and those are also part of the discussion.

I see your point and agree. The conception of 'being' we have been using is simple and abstract, allowing us to grasp it with a high degree of precision. However, as you point out, there may be other conceptions of 'being' that are more complex and not as easily understood. And of course, the question of what we mean by knowledge and its criteria is an important one, as it influences how we approach and understand concepts like 'being.' It's possible that our understanding of knowledge and its criteria may evolve as we continue to explore and discover new aspects of the world and ourselves.

Okay, I'll come back later. But meanwhile, do you have any references on the subjects of our discussion today?

Certainly! Here are some references that you may find helpful:

•	"Being and Time" by Martin Heidegger

•	"Metaphysics" by Aristotle

•	"The Critique of Pure Reason" by Immanuel Kant

•	"Process and Reality" by Alfred North Whitehead

•	"The Tao Te Ching" by Lao Tzu

•	"The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra

•	"The Nature of Order" by Christopher Alexander

These texts cover a range of philosophical and metaphysical topics, and should provide a good starting point for further exploration.

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